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Do you think I should help out my client when it comes to her craft shows meaning loading up her vehicle full of stuff and unloading it? She has me loading tables and tents, and chairs, totes boxes.
A client paid me $40 for a ride across town. I checked him in to a hotel a lugged all of his belongings upstairs. He asked me if I wanted him on the bed. I said "for what?" For a massage and happy ending.
I thanked him but said $40 was for fare not an entrance fee to all you can eat. Then he said "great idea! Drive me to a restaurant!"
I told him ok, ran down the stairs and drove away.
NO. Furniture or any other heavy moving and lifting is for the movers, not the paid caregiver to do. If the caregiver gets injured, worker’s comp will not cover for that work.
You should have already asked the agency you work for.
It sounds as if this is likely outside the scope of work you are hired to do.
It's probably hard to tell the client, "No, I am not here to do that". But if you don't clearly define what jobs you can do, and not do, then where do you draw the line? How will the client know when to stop asking you to do more and more and continue to make unreasonable requests?
Check your care plan. You should already know what's on this care plan. Your client knows what she signed up for and having an aide risk her safety by lifting heavy objects and craft tables is not one of them. Don't let these clients take advantage of you.
This doesn't sound like this is something you should do. Too many liabilities are at risk here. Your health for one.
Contact your agency and let this agency know what is going on.
If you work for a caregiver agency, you need to contact them as you are hired based on the contract between you and the agency.
When you sign up to work through an agency, it is your responsibility to know what you are signing up 'to do' as a third party employee. Does the contract you signed indicate that you can do 'heavy lifting' as you describe above?
What have you actually signed up to do (it is all in the contract).
I am alarmed that you ask us vs calling the agency that is employing you - Why? Bluntly, it is your responsibility to know what you are signing up to do. If you do not, you shouldn't be working with any / an agency.
You must READ contract.
If you want to do whatever a person asks - or whatever you want - become an independent contractor. Then, whatever you do is fully your responsibility. You will not have an worker's comp coverage - although if you are lifting furniture, etc., as you indicate, you may not be covered anyway so an injury means you pay for medical with no income due to whatever injury you may incur.
Perhaps I am missing something.
I believe the FIRST thing an agency representative will tell you is:
"call us if any problem or concern."
It seems like you did not / are not doing this - why (not)? You are asking us instead - why?
Because she wants to help her client out, she just isn’t sure if it’s wise! She obviously likes this client and wants to help her out which in my book makes her a compassionate caregiver but she doesn’t want to do anything to harm herself or her client which makes her the type of caregiver we need more of, an excellent one!
I would speak with your agency regarding if this type of work is considered part of your job description. If they say yes, be sure to use proper body mechanics and always call your employer and request extra help for assistance if you feel what she is asking you to lift is too heavy.
Lots of people need an aide for various reasons. The client may still be able to create beautiful crafts and it may be an outlet for them. If the caregiver is unable or not comfortable helping with this, then the client may need a different caregiver on those days or hire someone just for these tasks. There are lots of clients that are not totally helpless. I would suggest having a discussion with the agency for clarity then maybe together with the client to understand the boundaries.
I would say if there is ANY chance that you would hurt yourself then the answer is no. What are the duties outlined in the contract from the agency? You do those tasks and only those tasks. If you are hurt doing anything else there is a good possibility that the insurance would not cover you.
Nope. Back in 2009 my MIL was working as a companion aid for an agency. She wasn’t supposed to be be doing any housework but the client had her up on a step ladder doing just that. My MIL lost her balance and fell backwards hitting her spine on the corner wall and breaking her back. We didn’t know that she had osteoporosis pretty bad. She had to hire an attorney to handle her Workers Comp claim. She developed an addiction to the opioids. She didn’t rehab well so now is in LTC with chronic back pain.
Only do what you are being paid to do. If you don’t know how to handle it if your client pressures you then talk to your supervisor for guidance.
Your client has hired you through an agency. What was the agreement as to what you were hired to DO? In my brother's case, he needed someone to take him grocery shopping in their car. The agency needed to know that so they could check the driver, license, accidents record and etc. To me, you are hired for so many hours work. If something is too heavy to load then certainly tell the client it is too heavy for you to lift. I don't see much else needs to be discussed. Do whatever the client likes with your time there. To me, loading the car easier than making food, but that's just me; I no longer like cooking all that much. If you are in doubt, don't ask a bunch of folks giving opinions on a Forum. Go to your agency. That's what they are there for. Just tell them "Client would like me to ___________blah blah; is that OK?"
I hate to break it to you this website is just for that. Asking questions. Lol. This is not a simple task. I'm not here to help out and do that side of work. I'm here only for task that requires assistance with light housing, etc. I don't get paid to do all of that. But you're right about getting in contact with my agency.
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I. How We Work in Washington.
Based on your preferences, we provide you with information about one or more of our contracted senior living providers ("Participating Communities") and provide your Senior Living Care Information to Participating Communities. The Participating Communities may contact you directly regarding their services.
APFM does not endorse or recommend any provider. It is your sole responsibility to select the appropriate care for yourself or your loved one. We work with both you and the Participating Communities in your search. We do not permit our Advisors to have an ownership interest in Participating Communities.
II. How We Are Paid.
We do not charge you any fee – we are paid by the Participating Communities. Some Participating Communities pay us a percentage of the first month's standard rate for the rent and care services you select. We invoice these fees after the senior moves in.
III. When We Tour.
APFM tours certain Participating Communities in Washington (typically more in metropolitan areas than in rural areas.) During the 12 month period prior to December 31, 2017, we toured 86.2% of Participating Communities with capacity for 20 or more residents.
IV. No Obligation or Commitment.
You have no obligation to use or to continue to use our services. Because you pay no fee to us, you will never need to ask for a refund.
V. Complaints.
Please contact our Family Feedback Line at (866) 584-7340 or ConsumerFeedback@aplaceformom.com to report any complaint. Consumers have many avenues to address a dispute with any referral service company, including the right to file a complaint with the Attorney General's office at: Consumer Protection Division, 800 5th Avenue, Ste. 2000, Seattle, 98104 or 800-551-4636.
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I honestly think you should contact the agency and say no.
I thanked him but said $40 was for fare not an entrance fee to all you can eat. Then he said "great idea! Drive me to a restaurant!"
I told him ok, ran down the stairs and drove away.
Lesson: they'll eat you alive if you let 'em.
It sounds as if this is likely outside the scope of work you are hired to do.
It's probably hard to tell the client, "No, I am not here to do that".
But if you don't clearly define what jobs you can do, and not do, then where do you draw the line? How will the client know when to stop asking you to do more and more and continue to make unreasonable requests?
This doesn't sound like this is something you should do. Too many liabilities are at risk here. Your health for one.
Contact your agency and let this agency know what is going on.
When you sign up to work through an agency, it is your responsibility to know what you are signing up 'to do' as a third party employee. Does the contract you signed indicate that you can do 'heavy lifting' as you describe above?
What have you actually signed up to do (it is all in the contract).
I am alarmed that you ask us vs calling the agency that is employing you - Why?
Bluntly, it is your responsibility to know what you are signing up to do. If you do not, you shouldn't be working with any / an agency.
You must READ contract.
If you want to do whatever a person asks - or whatever you want - become an independent contractor. Then, whatever you do is fully your responsibility. You will not have an worker's comp coverage - although if you are lifting furniture, etc., as you indicate, you may not be covered anyway so an injury means you pay for medical with no income due to whatever injury you may incur.
Perhaps I am missing something.
I believe the FIRST thing an agency representative will tell you is:
"call us if any problem or concern."
It seems like you did not / are not doing this - why (not)? You are asking us instead - why?
Gena / Touch Matters
What are the duties outlined in the contract from the agency? You do those tasks and only those tasks. If you are hurt doing anything else there is a good possibility that the insurance would not cover you.
Only do what you are being paid to do. If you don’t know how to handle it if your client pressures you then talk to your supervisor for guidance.
What was the agreement as to what you were hired to DO?
In my brother's case, he needed someone to take him grocery shopping in their car. The agency needed to know that so they could check the driver, license, accidents record and etc.
To me, you are hired for so many hours work. If something is too heavy to load then certainly tell the client it is too heavy for you to lift.
I don't see much else needs to be discussed. Do whatever the client likes with your time there. To me, loading the car easier than making food, but that's just me; I no longer like cooking all that much.
If you are in doubt, don't ask a bunch of folks giving opinions on a Forum. Go to your agency. That's what they are there for. Just tell them "Client would like me to ___________blah blah; is that OK?"